(For that lovely anon who suggested I make a post about the Echo Caves scene between Emma and Neal, well, here it is, enjoy!) <3
This scene, I feel, is such an important scene between Emma and Neal. It is a scene where we finally see Emma just break down crying because of all the pain she has been through because of Neal. This scene is one of the most important scenes for Emma and I just hate how SFers completely pick apart this entire confession to only their satisfaction. I hate how after everything Emma says, Neal still ignores her pain and brushes off to the side like it was not a big deal. There is so much in this scene that I feel some SFers just aren’t getting.
Let’s start off with Emma first hears Neal is alive, and in Neverland, lets look at the reaction on her face:
Snow: "Neal’s alive."
Emma: "Neal is…."
I’m sorry but this is not the reaction anyone should make when they find out the person they “love” is alive and not dead. If this was Snow finding out that Charming didn’t die, and was still alive, we all know she would be jumping up and down, and she would have tears of joy.
That’s the type of reaction you’d have if you found out the person you “love” is still alive. Not this reaction. She looks so scared and terrified that Neal is alive because she just was able to move on from his death, she mourned him and put him behind her, yet now finding out he is alive scares the crap out of her because she knows that all those feelings she thought she can finally put to rest and move on, is going to come rushing back out and that scares her.
This scene is one of those scenes where we see Emma revert back into that young scared 17 year old, and it breaks my heart to see her so vulnerable and scared because of all the pain Neal has caused her.
Now, lets head over to the scene when Emma finally actually sees Neal, for the first time since Emma thought he died, and lets look at how upsetting it was for her to actually see him. The scene first starts off with Emma and the gang walking into the Echo Caves and they all see a man-sized box across the room. This is Emma’s reaction to seeing the caves and the box:
Look at her face, she is already scared to death because she knows that Neal might really, actually be alive and she is hoping that Pan is just messing with them and making it up. Until….
Neal sees Emma across the caves and screams, quite loudly, Emma’s name. Which leads Emma to finally see that Neal is truly alive and Pan wasn’t just trying to trick them.
And you know what Emma does? She backs away. She is so scared, that she literally takes a few steps backwards. Like I said up above, this is not the reaction you should have when you find out your “love” is really alive and not dead. This right here shows even more that Swanfire is NOT true love. Not even close.
This reaction proves, even more, how Swanfire is such a toxic relationship for Emma. Seeing him again brings back all that pain and suffering she went through all over again because of him. This is a good relationship for either one of them, but worse on Emma’s part since she was the one who did all the suffering.
Here is a gif of Emma backing away from Neal after he yells out her name, so you can see it better.
(Sorry my caps aren’t the best, I’m re-watching these scenes on youtube, so I’m taking screenshots of each scene that I discuss, with also the quotes from the scenes, oh and gif is not mine)
After that everyone in the group has to confess their deepest, darkest secret so that they can get across over to Neal, and once everyone confessed their secrets, only Emma was left.
Right before Emma walks across the bridge, she takes one last look over to her parents, and Hook for encouragement, she is so terrified and scared, and she needs to know that she isn’t alone and they will be right there for her.
When she finally makes her way over to where Neal is at, she right away starts hammering away at the cage because she just wants to get it open quick, and hoping that it’d work, so she wouldn’t have to make her confession because she knows it’s going to hurt her to much.
Neal: "You know this isn’t how it works."
Emma: *breathes heavy and acknowledges it’s true*
Which then leads her to drop to her knees, with defeat.
Neal: "It’s okay, you can tell me anything."
Emma: ”When I heard you might be here, that you might still be alive, I knew I should be happy, but I wasn’t. I was terrified. I didn’t understand why until now. From the moment I saw you in New York, from the instant you stepped back into my life, I knew, I knew I never stopped loving you. And before I ever got a chance to take a breath, I lost you once more and all that pain I pushed down for all those years, came rushing back, and I… I didn’t know if I could go though it again. I love you. I probably always will. But my secret is that I was hoping this was a trick. I was hoping you were dead because it would be easier to put you behind me than to face all the pain that we went through all over again.”
Now, lets talk about Emma’s confession more, starting off with this sentence:
- "When I heard you might be here, that you might still be alive, I knew I should be happy, but I wasn’t."
Now, this is such an important moment because this is what we’ve been talking a lot about, on this blog, Neal does not make Emma happy. Not anymore, not for a long long long time now.
And finding out he was alive should have been a happy moment, if Emma truly was IN love with him, but the facts are, she isn’t.
- “ I love you. I probably always will. But my secret is that I was hoping this was a trick. I was hoping you were dead because it would be easier to put you behind me than to face all the pain that we went through all over again.”
This quote right here is the most important quote in anything Swanfire related because this is raw, real, angst and painful for Emma to admit this to him. This is such an important moment for Emma’s character because you can just see SO much emotion in her face and in her voice when confessing this.
Jmo did such an amazing, incredible job at performing this scene because it’s so intense and feels so real, sometimes I forget she is even acting because of how realistically Jmo preformed it.
Now anyways, one of the things I really can’t stand and just get really upset over is when SF BA’s only use the part where Emma says, “I love you, and I probably always will.” and completely ignore her ACTUAL confession.
There is such a HUGE difference between loving someone and being IN love with them, and Emma was not IN love with him anymore. And there is also a huge difference between “Probably always will” to “Always will”
"Probably always will" suggests that there is a possibility that one day she will no longer love him and "Always will" suggests that she will, literally, always love him forever. So right there, there are doubts.
- But my secret is that I was hoping this was a trick. I was hoping you were dead because it would be easier to put you behind me than to face all the pain that we went through all over again.”
Now her actually confession was not that she “loves him” it is about how she was actually hoping that Neal was dead, and Pan just wanted to trick them into believing Neal was alive.
Emma wants to move on, when Neal died, she felt like finally she had the closure she needed and she can finally let him go, and with him, all the bad memories because of him, as well. She was starting to move forward in her life. She pushed back so much pain because of Neal down so much that she was hoping he was dead so she wouldn’t have to keep reliving the horrors of those painful memories.
I just will never understand how some SFers didn’t actually really listen to Emma’s confession and actually see things in her pov. I remember when she episode aired and some SFers were so happy with this scene because they actually believed it was a good scene for their ship. I saw them cheering and I just couldn’t understand how they could think that way because I felt it was a VERY anti Swanfire scene.
I even asked politely, to a SFer, who I knew was a nice SFer, so I didn’t have to worry about bitched out for asking why SFers were so happy at that scene, and she replied with because Emma told Neal she loved him. I never replied back to that person but I was in such shock. I was thinking, how could they only take that out of Emma’s entire speech? Did they not hear the part where Emma said she was hoping Neal was dead? How is that good for their ship?
I just couldn’t understand it and I still don’t understand it because every now and then I’ll see a SFer in the Emma Swan tag talking about it, to this day still, about how romantic this scene was, and I just shake my head as hard as I can at that because how? How!?
So now, after Emma’s confession, everyone departs from the caves and it ends up just being Emma and Neal talking about Emma’s confession:
Emma: ”About what I said…”
Neal: ”Emma, it’s okay.”
Emma: “No, it’s not. I wish I can change the way I feel, more than anything, but I can’t. I’m sorry.”
Emma is telling Neal that no matter what, she does or say, she can’t change the way she feels. She can’t change the fact that Neal causes her pain and reminds her of all the pain she went through because of him. And Neal plays it off like he understands when he says this:
Neal:"Don’t be. After everything I’ve put you through, you never have to apologize to me about how you feel. Hey, I’m glad you told me…."
And I remembering thinking, wow he is actually understanding her feelings and respecting them. He is actually understanding how much pain he causes her and is finally growing up. UNTIL he said this and then I just wanted to flip a table and say “You were this close, I actually started to believe you.”
Neal:"….I have a secret too, Emma. I’m never going to stop fighting for you. Never."
DID. HE. NOT. JUST. HEAR. HER. CONFESSION?
He does NOT make her happy. Being around him causes Emma pain. He causes her to remember painful, heartbreaking memories. This is such bullshit. I was sooo upset when he said that.
It was like he completely ignored her entire confession and ignored how she feels because, it seems to me, he only cares about how HE feels and not about how EMMA feels. He doesn’t care that he causes her pain and reminds her of painful memories or he doesn’t make her happy. He only cares about how he feels and how he wants Emma, not caring about what Emma wants.
And I also feel Neal, in this scene, was used completely as a plot device as well because after he tells Emma that, the camera changes to a scene with Hook looking through the leaves/brushes and over hears what Neal said.
I just feel it was such a selfish thing to say to Emma. He should have just said the first part of the sentence and left it as that but, noo, he had to ruin it by completely ignoring Emma’s feelings with that sentence. This is, also, how I feel about SF BA’s, they only pick out the parts that suits their satisfaction and completely overlook Emma’s pov.
So this is my post about that, wow this took me over an hour to finish! So I hope you guys enjoy it and reblog it. I’d also love to read some of your feelings/opinions toward this scene, as well. And also, if anyone wants me to make a post about a certain scene, just let me know and I will be sure to do it for you! (;
This is never not funny
Confused husky pup
He’s not expressing confusion, he’s tilting his head for better sound localization. While having an ear on each side of the head is good for lateral echolocation, tilting the head so that the ears are offset gives it vertical depth.
He likes the sounds basically
yr favourite “female-positive” porn star james deen is a rape apologist
it’s almost like porn has the ability to minimize people’s perceptions and attitudes towards sexual assault or ~~~~something~~~
So I guess we’re just going to ignore the fact that he was responding to the rape comment made by the woman above him?
no one is ignoring anything, she’s obviously repulsive as well, but the majority of the vitriol is indeed going to be aimed at the male porn star who is lauded because he eats pussy but has zero issues joking about anally raping the 12 year old girls around him
she said that (also awful) comment but it certainly does not absolve him of how gross he is, he didn’t even HAVE to respond at all let alone with that!
1) he is a pornstar okay
2) Dana DeArmond is a pornstar as well (don’t ask me how I, a sixteen year old girl, know that… just don’t)
3) none of them meant it seriously, they were joking because they made a porn video together where he was “ass raping” her (again, don’t ask me) and I suppose that some people probably watched it
4) I write for a czech website for girls/women and I made an interview with him. I talked with him about rape, and he said he would never have sex with anyone without their consent so please just hakuna your tatas ladies
they’re just two pornstars making private jokes, don’t get into it if you don’t do your research first, he is actually quite a nice person in real life so leave him alone; all of us make weird jokes sometimes.
Some of you are reblogging because you think its funny that programmers would talk to ducks. I’m reblogging because I think its funny picturing a programmer explaining their code, realizing what they did when they explain the bad code, then grabbing the strangling the duck while yelling “WHY WAS THE FIX THAT SIMPLE!? AM I GOING BLIND!”
AS A PROGRAMMER I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU FUCKING DO WE HAD TO BAN THE DUCKS FROM MY CLASSES BECAUSE EVERYONE WOULD FLIP THE DUCK OR THROW IT AT A WALL OR SOMETHING WHEN THEY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM IN THEIR CODE
so that’s the function of a rubber duck
A son went into a rarely-used bedroom in his mother’s home and discovered thousands of wasps had made a giant nest in a bed. An estimated 5,000 wasps had created a nest by chewing through bedding, including a blanket and pillow. Pest-control expert John Birkett was called to tackle with the mound of wasps inside the mattress at the five-bedroom home in Winchester, Hampshire.